"New" 93 GT - Where to start?

[sdk4ekk]

I just acquired a '93 Probe GT that is basically stock and in good condition. I've installed some PA stuff (CAI, antenna & 9mm wires). Doing some basic appearance stuff but want to get better performance. Where should I go from here?

[blackoutgt]

I just acquired a '93 Probe GT that is basically stock and in good condition. I've installed some PA stuff (CAI, antenna & 9mm wires). Doing some basic appearance stuff but want to get better performance. Where should I go from here?

to the search bar up there ^... and type in "KLZE swap"
- dont wanna do a swap?... then do headers/full exhaust... they look good, sound good, and will give you alittle gain.

[FirstGT]

if going n/a ...exhaust, test pipe, headers, 65mm TB, ZE IM or ported DE IM, phenolic spacers, ZE cams, underdrive puley, sts, afpr, springs, struts.

I'd say thats a good start

[ouch1011]

^^ Its taken me 4 years to even get to that point... :lol: I'd say thats a bit more than a start. Still don't have the TB, UDP or AFPR.

[sdk4ekk]

Anyone have any opinions on the Probe Addiction catback "Dual" Exhaust with the test pipe?

[1993fpgtatx]

^^^over priced.....i have test pipe back dual exhuast, looks identical to that exhaust, except for the fact that my glasspacks are angled out, but i spent 200$ on my exhaust, and it sounds awesome...i also removed the resonator, and the cat, so it screams.....as far as good firt starting bolt on's go.....mx3 flywheel, pacesetter headers, test pipe, short throw shifter, klze manifold, phoelonic spacers, and when youre done with all that......youll need a clutch, the probe gt doesnt handle much more than stock power

[sdk4ekk]

Did you have the exhaust done custom by a muffler shop? Glass packs may be a bit too loud for my taste, but I AM looking for a deep, throaty sound that my neighbors wouldn't find obnoxious. Some exhausts I've heard sound like a high-pitched chain saw which I don't like at all. I've loaded teh exhaust video from Probe Addiction and it sounds pretty good but I agree that it's pricey - especially after you add in shipping and installation. Thoughts?????

[RigsPGT]

After running with a ZE-IM + 65mm TB and now going back to DE IM, TB, i'd say my car is SLOW so you may wanna add those things to the list!

BTW, Spada made a very good thread that will help you find whats next, cant remember the title. Someone please pull that up cause im running 28kbs :( and its fricking slow as hell!

[junked89]

you will love these upgrades on a stock car: CAI, headers and full exhaust, motor mount inserts, STS, and an ignition (MSD or whatever you like). A better clutch really helps a lot on our cars too, seeing how the stock one doesn't hold jack.

[sdk4ekk]

OK, I just replaced my deteriorated exahust with stock stuff, so, I'm looking at the intake side.

I'm new at this stuff so I need help (as in - upgrades for Dummies" :eh: ) I want to install the "ZE" IM but my local salvage yard needs to know what it comes off of. THey have a '93 MX-6 engine in the yard and want $150 for the IM. Would the '93 MX-6 have the KLZE engine? If not, what make, model, and year car do I need to tell them?

Also, where do I acquire a 65mm TB to fit between the ZE IM and my CAI?

Finally, since I'll have the IM off, I'm intending to install the phenos from Outlaw Engineering. Will the off-the-shelf kit for the 2.5 KL03 work or do I need to contact Outlaw and specify that I am installing a ZE IM on top of the KL03 engine and ask for something special?

Thanks for anyone's informed help......:bow:

[Jeff_Jeske]

The first mod I do to almost any probe is a clutch and flywheel. The stock clutch slips under stock power and the flywheel is a very heavy rotating mass.

[RigsPGT]

1- ZE intake manifold, 98% of the time you wont find one in a junkyard, search For Sale forum here and over MX6, many people sell this around $150-200 or even Ebay.

2- TB,,, contact Greg94PGT as he's the one still making them for PT&MX6 community

3- Phenos,,,,, you can install them like that or you can port and match the intake side (ZE). Once you get a ZE-IM you will notice the difference on the ports (square vs round).
or just contact Outlaw and they will do it for an additional fee.

So basically you go like this :

*Engine*
CAI, 65-67mmTB, acid ported ZE-IM, port matched Phenos (later on maybe go with ZE heads), Walbro 255 FP (fuel pump) with AFPR (adjustable fuel pressure regulator)
Headers, High Flow converter, 2.25"-2.5" cat back exhaust

Suspension:
Tokico struts with lowering springs (Eibachs, Tokico, etc)
Stiffer MMs (motor mounts) either Rafi's inserts, filled or solids from AWR
Clutch and lighter flywheel (MX3, fidanza etc etc)

There are so many things you can add up to make power, its just a matter of how much do you wanna spend and what are you power goals.

[sdk4ekk]

I appreciate the advice. I've worked out the details with Greg for the TB, but I need to find a ZE IM first. Checked eBay - found a curved neck ZE IM, and I am wondering if I should look for a long neck ZE instead. I recently purchased and installed a Probe Addiction CAI (which I like) that I want make sure I can use on the new IM. PA sells different elbows, but I hate to spend another $50 just for an elbow. Other posts suggest that I may have problems fitting the CAI on a long neck IM (brake cylinder issues). Thoughts anyone?

Also, what issues am I facing with connecting throttle linkages, hoses, etc when I replace the KL03 IM with the KLZE?

[Jeff_Jeske]

I've never had any problems with linkages....they've always lined up and worked fine. The only thing that tends to need a little tweaking is the cruise control. I had to unmount it and relocate the entire mechanism. Some just leave it dangling and but I made a bracket for it.

[proboner]

haha wow what a funny post... heres my view on it all. probe addiction is over priced, but if your a newbie go for it! headers help, try to go with a hotshot style header, and for the money the obx cant be beat. intakes, as long as theyre cold, work wonders. 67mm tb is good. KLZE intake is, in my opinion, overrated unless it includes ZE heads and pistons (aka a ZE ENGINE). a fuel pump is COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY unless your going FI (FI means forced induction, aka turbo/supercharged/nitrous oxide or NOS as they say in the land of the furious). an AFPR (adjustable fuel pressure regulator) is only needed if you have intake, exhaust, headers, throttle body, and maybe even some more. test pipe is great for racing, not good for sound. exhausts dont add much power, but are heard every day... do yourself a favor and worry more about sound than power. get a decent clutch, i hated my clutchmaster stage 1. dont get a fidanza flywheel, its 300 dollars ruined. instead buy an mx3 flywheel, 250 bucks cheaper and almost the same gain. spark plugs, spark plug wires, fuel filters, thermostats, all that nonsense, wont give you any power, but this will bring you back up to what you should have. keep on top of that. megasquirt is great, but probably beyond you.

[sdk4ekk]

Thanks for the tips, Kris. Not sure what's so funny about the post, everyone starts out sometime, eh? :eh: Anyway, although the PA stuff may be overpriced, fitment has been perfect, the items I've purchased have performed as advertised, and they look great. Not many folks (including me) have money to throw away, but I'm not a spring chicken and as a 48 year old professional I have a few bucks to invest in my "new" Probe. As with any Newbie, this is my "project" car and I'm excited. I appreciate your input as much as anyone's, 'cause I'm not yet up to speed on what mods will provide performance gains :shrug: and I am relying on the expertise the members of this forum can provide me with so I don't chase my tail around performing unneccesary mods. I'm looking for basic mods now and I'll step up to the more serious stuff later. For now, my stock engine has 163K miles and it runs like a top. So I'm probably going to do some minor, inexpensive stuff (like the IM, TB, & headers). When the engine starts to crap out I'll replace it with the KLZE and a SC. :pimp: That's later. It also needs a paint job and a new front bumper and I know I'll be spending some serious $$$ on those. Interestingly, although there has been agreement between many on the basic performance mods, there is likewise some divergence of opinion on some of the "extras". Again, thanks for the input. I'll be taking your suggestion on the MX3 flywheel vs. Fidanza (at $400 that's a rip), won't do the fuel pump until I move to FI, and I'll check out the OBX headers now. As always, I appreciate everyone's input :thanks: PLEASE KEEP IT COMING!

[RigsPGT]

haha wow what a funny post...

Whats so funny about this post? If you dont like the suggestions, tell us why?



KLZE intake is, in my opinion, overrated unless it includes ZE heads and pistons (aka a ZE ENGINE).

Have you ever switched over from DE-IM to a ZE-IM or backwards? I did a couple of days and my PGT feels slower up top.

i hated my clutchmasters stage 1

Did you break it in properly? I used one with a ZE engine and i could chirp 3rd with good tires everyday for 3 1/2 years of abuse.

sdk4ekk, if you're planning to go FI, invest in a good clutch. I just bought my FE series from South Bend Clutch which i will use it on my turbo set up. TQ rating was 345 but if you're want to pass that, get the FE SS series that have a different PP (pressure plate)


megasquirt is great, but probably beyond you.
sooner or later he will need one for better tunning so i suggest him to get familiar with it.

sdk4ekk, mod the car with things that will help you with your SC set up. If you have enough cash to purchase another engine. you either can buy a ZE or built a spare one to handle boost then when the other one quits you are ready to swap it.

[95PGTTech]

^^ Its taken me 4 years to even get to that point... :lol: I'd say thats a bit more than a start. Still don't have the TB, UDP or AFPR.

depends on your style. it took my first 95pgt mtx about 1.5 years to do all that, my second it's taken about 2 months :eg:

[UnorthodoxCreat]

Be sure to check out the North Eastern Probe Owners(NEPO) section towards the bottom of the forums. Things are a little so for the winter but there is always a spring dyno and everyone is welcome. There are many people from the MD, southern PA area. Good luck with the car, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

[proboner]

Whats so funny about this post? If you dont like the suggestions, tell us why?





Have you ever switched over from DE-IM to a ZE-IM or backwards? I did a couple of days and my PGT feels slower up top.



Did you break it in properly? I used one with a ZE engine and i could chirp 3rd with good tires everyday for 3 1/2 years of abuse.

sdk4ekk, if you're planning to go FI, invest in a good clutch. I just bought my FE series from South Bend Clutch which i will use it on my turbo set up. TQ rating was 345 but if you're want to pass that, get the FE SS series that have a different PP (pressure plate)



sooner or later he will need one for better tunning so i suggest him to get familiar with it.

sdk4ekk, mod the car with things that will help you with your SC set up. If you have enough cash to purchase another engine. you either can buy a ZE or built a spare one to handle boost then when the other one quits you are ready to swap it.

to answer said questions...
1)i just thought this post was funny because its been asked 99999999999999999999 times on PT... SEARCH!!!!! but instead I answered... i apologize

2)i had a DE in my car when i bought it, and honestly, compared to my roomates car (ZE) it felt slower but when we raced we were EXACTLY even. so in my opnion, if your gonna get one get one, but if your gonna go half assed at a ZE, theres no doubt your gonna pay more money than you should. I have a ZE now and i barely notice a difference over what i had. some people rave about it, some dont, but im only gonna tell you to get what i know works.

3) as for my clutch, i got if from rafi, the clutchmaster stage 1 and the findanza flywheel. i have come away with some feelings from this purchase. feeling number 1... rafi is a great person to deal with, great customer service, good guy, would definately suggest purchasing from him.
feeling number 2) any clutchmaster clutch or fidanza flywheel is not worth buying. thats just me, after having mine i regret them both. but hey, we all have different experiences.

[PGT1993]

I appreciate the advice. I've worked out the details with Greg for the TB, but I need to find a ZE IM first. Checked eBay - found a curved neck ZE IM, and I am wondering if I should look for a long neck ZE instead. I recently purchased and installed a Probe Addiction CAI (which I like) that I want make sure I can use on the new IM. PA sells different elbows, but I hate to spend another $50 just for an elbow. Other posts suggest that I may have problems fitting the CAI on a long neck IM (brake cylinder issues). Thoughts anyone?

Also, what issues am I facing with connecting throttle linkages, hoses, etc when I replace the KL03 IM with the KLZE?
Hey there, are you still looking for a ZE IM? I'm swapping in a Ze engine next weekend and i don't need this Im anymore. It's the complete manifold, fuel rails, vris stuff, tb. let me know if you're intrested.

[sdk4ekk]

I am definitely looking for a ZE manifold. I see you are in South Florida? How much do you want? Is it a curved neck or long neck?

[duckylama]

After running with a ZE-IM + 65mm TB and now going back to DE IM, TB, i'd say my car is SLOW so you may wanna add those things to the list!

BTW, Spada made a very good thread that will help you find whats next, cant remember the title. Someone please pull that up cause im running 28kbs :( and its fricking slow as hell!

http://forums.probetalk.com/showthread.php?t=1701011626

Spada's post...very helpful