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1st Gen (89-92) Performance Discussion of Performance topics for the 1st Gen (all models)

 
October 16th, 2009, 12:26 AM   #1
supercharged3.0
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Racing Radiator

I wanna buy a good radiator. Which brand is the best and why? Koyo, be cool...Howe?? I want something 3" thick
Any idea? I am planning to take my baby to the dyno and that's why i wanna have something which will cool enough to prevent overheating, which might prevent head gasket fail
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October 16th, 2009, 08:49 PM   #2
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a nice aluminum one from summit racing would probably do the trick

hows the vulcan comming? any progress?
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October 16th, 2009, 09:28 PM   #3
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Shouldn't overheat with a regular radiator, must be something wrong with it.

Modine All metal oem replacements work great.
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October 17th, 2009, 06:58 PM   #4
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Shouldn't overheat with a regular radiator, must be something wrong with it.

Modine All metal oem replacements work great.
It is not overheating, but when the engine under the load, the temperature is going up very fast and it is only under 7-8 psi of boost. I am planning to go until 20+ psi and i am sure my radiator will not cool enough the engine

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a nice aluminum one from summit racing would probably do the trick

hows the vulcan comming? any progress?
well.. waiting a dyno tune. She is ready
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October 17th, 2009, 08:55 PM   #5
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Maybe your water pump is not working correctly, or you have a clogged radiator presently and or you just need a lower thermostat
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October 18th, 2009, 09:24 AM   #6
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Put a balanced thermostat in that Vulcan, Mr gasket makes 160* 180* 195* It will prevent the water pressure from forcing the thermostat closed and that will result in a temp spike until the rpms/water pressure get's low enough to let it open again. Stock replacement thermos can vary 15* in their actual opening temps, A balanced is within 2*!
 
October 18th, 2009, 09:30 AM   #7
BoostedMan
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Probably just a clogged radiator
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October 18th, 2009, 11:10 PM   #8
supercharged3.0
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Anyway, i need a better radiator. I will change the thermostat and radiator
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October 19th, 2009, 04:12 PM   #9
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i am running a h22 turbo in my accord 14 psi with 35r with STOCK OEM honda civic radiator i think stock will be fine but u can find the aluminum ones on ebay
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October 19th, 2009, 05:00 PM   #10
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October 25th, 2009, 12:54 PM   #11
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The only aftermarket radiator that is a direct drop in for our motors that I have ever seen is one that I had custom made to my specs about 5 years ago. We used stock endtanks and had a custom core fitted to them. It worked great, but my project changed so I ended up selling it. A PT member bought it and to my knowledge has been happy with it since.

Other than that, you can sure fit any old radiator, it just won't be a direct drop-in.
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November 4th, 2009, 07:04 PM   #12
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hey man, I have an all metal radiator for your LX. It's brand new and I'll include the fan with it.
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November 4th, 2009, 08:04 PM   #13
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Is your blower intercooled? Maybe the blower is causing your motor to run hot while under boost?

I would think that the stock radiator should be able to cool even a boosted Vulcan. I would also try cleaning out the motor with some sort of flush, maybe you have a clog somewhere. Once I cleaned out a heater core that was clogged and messing with the flow and it helped a ton.

Good luck with your motor, Do you have pictures of your setup?

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You live in LA, It's HOT there 99% of the time, is it not?

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November 5th, 2009, 08:36 AM   #14
MonoxideChild
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i can see him needing a bigger radiator. hes supercharged, and turbo. both create massive amounts of heat.

from looking around, i saw at least a dozen aftermarket aluminum ones that would work on our car. hit up summit and look at the ones there. i saw one for under 200 that would fit in our engine bay, and the inlet/outlet were in our factory locations. hardest part would be fabbing mounts. but even thats not too bad.
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November 7th, 2009, 11:26 AM   #15
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i have one of those summit racing summit aluminum radiators is their smallest one for a chevy hotrod

the main, HUGE problem is running the hoses since the bottom outlet is angled upwards and pointing towards the oil filter, from what i remember when looking at your car that thing has that huge downpipe and that is going to create a problem with that hose, in my case i had to cut the neck from the radiator bottom outlet to force a very tight radius hose in there and still leaks a bit and have to keep checking it to make sure it does not leak a lot or can come off.

the other problem is that the radiator is way too thick and it will not mount properly so you have to have angled a little bit since the crossmember is on the way.

i have had it for years and it works but its all custom, and if you dont have enough fans to move the air it will overheat, that is why im running 3 fans all the time to make sure it does not blow up.
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November 7th, 2009, 07:52 PM   #16
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Is your blower intercooled? Maybe the blower is causing your motor to run hot while under boost?

I would think that the stock radiator should be able to cool even a boosted Vulcan. I would also try cleaning out the motor with some sort of flush, maybe you have a clog somewhere. Once I cleaned out a heater core that was clogged and messing with the flow and it helped a ton.

Good luck with your motor, Do you have pictures of your setup?

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You live in LA, It's HOT there 99% of the time, is it not?
The motor is clean ))) The problem is in the radiator when the engine under the load. The supercharger makes alot of hit and my radiator could not cool down OR keep the temperature low enough i can boost. If i am driving normal, i do not have much problems, but when i press the pedal to the floor and see 6-7 psi, the temperature is going up.
BTW.. i do not have a heater core

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i have one of those summit racing summit aluminum radiators is their smallest one for a chevy hotrod

the main, HUGE problem is running the hoses since the bottom outlet is angled upwards and pointing towards the oil filter, from what i remember when looking at your car that thing has that huge downpipe and that is going to create a problem with that hose, in my case i had to cut the neck from the radiator bottom outlet to force a very tight radius hose in there and still leaks a bit and have to keep checking it to make sure it does not leak a lot or can come off.

the other problem is that the radiator is way too thick and it will not mount properly so you have to have angled a little bit since the crossmember is on the way.

i have had it for years and it works but its all custom, and if you dont have enough fans to move the air it will overheat, that is why im running 3 fans all the time to make sure it does not blow up.
Do not remember if i posted this, but i want to get this radiator from summint racing and put it on front of my radiator and then when i will remove my old one, i am going to have some enough room to install the fan from inside

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j...8/radiator.jpg

Brand Griffin Thermal Products
Manufacturer's Part Number 1-25241-X
Part Type Radiators
Product Line Griffin Aluminum Pro Series Radiators
Summit Racing Part Number GRI-1-25241-X

Radiator Style Crossflow
Overall Width (in) 27.500 in.
Overall Height (in) 15.500 in.
Overall Thickness (in) 3.000 in.
Row Quantity Dual-row
Radiator Finish Natural
Radiator Material Aluminum
Transmission Cooler No
Inlet Location Upper driver side
Inlet Size 1 1/2 in.
Outlet Location Lower passenger side
Outlet Size 1 3/4 in.
Core Height (in) 15.500 in.
Core Thickness (in) 2.000 in.
Core Width (in) 22.500 in.
Tube Size 1 in.
Fan Included No
Quantity Sold individuall
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November 26th, 2009, 12:46 AM   #17
mac1
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when I was still in Cali, I had issues with overheating. I upgraded to that exact Summit radiator and removed the thermostat at different times and both helped noticably. The radiator ultimately helped the most as I kept creating cracks in the stocker. I eventually got tired of jb-welding all the leaks.
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December 2nd, 2009, 05:29 PM   #18
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Howe Racing Enterprises makes a radiator for our cars or can make one. The cost is about $400.
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December 4th, 2009, 02:18 AM   #19
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Don't worry about hoses and stuff. Use 1.5" steel or aluminum pipe & bends to run them and hten a section of rubber hose for your connectors (or silicone hump couplers if you want to get fancy).

When I was looking for a custom radiator for my 323 I spent way too much time on that because I couldn't find one with the inlet/outlet where I wanted them, until I realized it doesn't really matter, I can make my own pipes, don't need to find them in rubber.

I settled for an AFCO racing rad. and made the pipes. I have a lot less room in front between the block and the rad. support than most cars (the KL is replacing a SOHC 1.6 so there wasn't much room in there).

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...e/DSCF0456.jpg
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December 4th, 2009, 01:55 PM   #20
MonoxideChild
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believe it or not, your 323 actually has more room then a 1st gen for the radiator. at least id assume yours is the same as the escort GT's. we were able to shove the KL probe radiator in that front area of the escort. wasnt as clean as yours obviousely though. lol. and a 2nd gen radiator is a good 2-3 inch's taller then ours. i think the width is a good fit though.
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