Must See Race(video) PGT_ZE vs MX6_DE - Page 2

rockmanX · June 19th, 2008, 09:03 PM

are you sure you didnt buy a de w/ze intake? id deffenetly do a compression check.

siknin · June 19th, 2008, 09:03 PM

stock exhaust isnt hurtin him as much as u think. I ran 14.6s with stock exhaust and a cannon still on my ze. Yea i got .2 or .1 tenths faster after i i redid a few things exhaust bein one of them but stilll u get the idea. also a gutted cat would help free up things

tour96se · June 19th, 2008, 09:04 PM

he's running the kl36 ecu. i always thought the 36 was the ze atx ecu? could be wrong though.

Static2k4 · June 19th, 2008, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockmanX

are you sure you didnt buy a de w/ze intake? id deffenetly do a compression check.

I wasn't there when they took everything apart, but the front head is stamped kl131...

siknin · June 19th, 2008, 09:06 PM

kl36 ecu has kl31 written on it in smaller print so it doesnt matter either way you go with a 5sp klze your good. I ran a kl36 ecu and je50 for years

kelderman94 · June 19th, 2008, 09:07 PM

What the hell is all this negativity about. A freshly swapped ZE was about even with a supposed high 14 second car. Who cares what he has in it? Its all about times, most ZE's run high 14/low 15 right after a swap. I say good racing, but real men race from a dig lol so get the tranny set up how you want it then do it over.

siknin · June 19th, 2008, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeystyx16

he could learn to downshift...

whats his mx6 dyno at? i was expecting you to blow him out with a ZE, apparently not

i guess you where expecting something like this.... ze vs ze minus kl31 cams

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/P...obe_142716.htm

D'sMx6 · June 19th, 2008, 09:21 PM

Doesn't Static have no PS? Less parasitic loss

Also, driver mod matters too. Good job Dan, keep up the good work. So, the next motor swap is mine right?

Static2k4 · June 19th, 2008, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D'sMx6

Doesn't Static have no PS? Less parasitic loss

Also, driver mod matters too. Good job Dan, keep up the good work. So, the next motor swap is mine right?

I still have a powersteering pump, only gutted.

bedwards6954 · June 19th, 2008, 10:36 PM

This looks like a tunning issue to me, or Mazda's are just better and more aerodynamic!!

Mazda FTW!!!!!

Alexklze · June 20th, 2008, 01:12 AM

Seems like an average ze vs a strong running de. And mx6's rule!!!!! haha bitches

BlackProbe · June 20th, 2008, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1993fpgtatx

So here's the scoop:

My good buddy Ryan (Static2K4) has an 94 MX-6.
If I forget any mods Ryan, I apologize.

MX-6:

Intake, Headers, 2.5" Exhaust, Stage(3?)Clutch/9lb Flywheel, Pulley, STS, and great driver mod.

My 93PGT with
KLZE swap, Intake, Headers, Magnaflow Cat, (stock exhaust with 2 cannons)STS, Upgraded Clutch and MX-3 Flywheel.

READ:
A year ago we raced and I had the SAME mods on my KLDE that I have on my KLZE and we raced about 4-5 times from a roll, and he got me by about 2 full cars.
His car at that time, based on his races, and buddies who have been to the track....was about 14.7-14.8. I ran a 15.2@92 when we raced, and he had me by 2 cars. High 14's sounded right.

Races from a year ago. Same 2 cars. Same mods...only I had a KLDE
http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g8...nt=mx6race.flv

So after the ZE swap, I wanted to see the difference and here is the outcome:
(mind you...I lost by 2cars before the swap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVIh4ofVaSw

Check your timing!!!

J-Spec GT · June 20th, 2008, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D'sMx6

Doesn't Static have no PS? Less parasitic loss

Also, driver mod matters too. Good job Dan, keep up the good work. So, the next motor swap is mine right?

This wasnt much of a drivers race. From a dig it would be for sure, but it was just flooring it at a certain speed and keep it floored. I didnt notice shifting making any difference in the outcome.
Kelderman your right about it being good for 1993pgttax cause he's now got a mid-high 14sec car and thats about right for a ZE. Were not being negative though, Its that we expected to see it different.
Kinda like if ya hired a specialist to do a job and a novice out performs them.
+1 on quality made vids.

tour96se · June 20th, 2008, 04:31 AM

i'd check for 31 cams

driftwood · June 20th, 2008, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1SlowPGTZE

is ur ecu chipped yet??? cause ur VRIS point would be pretty off.... that might just be the reason ur not beating him pretty hard...

hes got a ze ecu & je50...

J-Spec GT · June 20th, 2008, 05:09 AM

Wait!

How Many more WISPOC stickers does Static have?

Static2k4 · June 20th, 2008, 05:12 AM

I have a total of 0 I don't believe in sticker power...

Also, it was sort of a drivers race. In our last race Daniel didn't start even with me, so on third honk I didn't floor it right away, did you see the slight jump he had? It more or less a timing the honks for me, because he knew when that last one was coming. I'm going to the strip today, so I will see what I put down... Not that it matters, there is something wrong with Daniel's car, so mine is just slow anyways...

slinkyPgT · June 20th, 2008, 05:37 AM

he has a klze ecu and a je-50 vaf off my mx-3 when it had a ze...i still think he needs to get used to the car and theway it drives a lil more

Dutchy · June 20th, 2008, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J-Spec GT

Wait!

How Many more WISPOC stickers does Static have?

nail + head!

There's your problem!

1993fpgtatx · June 20th, 2008, 06:16 AM

wow....what a lot going on in this thread after just one night of it being posted, lol

Just to clear things up...
I am running a kl36 ecu, and je-50 vaf.

The exhaust is getting upgraded to 2.5" tonite.

The cat is a high-flow magnaflow cat...no reason to gut it..

Ryans cars is very quick. It may seem I am running slow, but put me next to any other bolt-on DE and see what happens.

My car pulls ALOT harder than it did before, and yeah will move even quicker after the exhaust goes on this weekend.

Also to clear-up, that the cams were checked, heads were checked and they are both
kl31. I have a true ze, and timing is good.

Maybe that will help you understand how well ryans car runs.

he is heading to the strip today, and I would not be surprised if he ran a 14.6-14.7 with a good launch and his normal awesome driving.

TABA · June 20th, 2008, 06:19 AM

i agree with kelderman, "dig" it

also i agree with timing, check it out, if the disty is held back itll act fine but there might be some retard in there, thats killing top end and overall "bite"....hell run some research on squezing extra N/A power by advancing the timing to its optimum setting (im advanced and my car thinks its cool)

while im thinking about it, whats the weight of trans lube you got? if it is overly heavy itll hinder the build of revs, therefore milking more power from the engine to spin the trans loaded with heavier than norm lube.

engine oil weight and all that too plays trivial effect but enough to hinder performance in so many ways

siknin · June 20th, 2008, 08:41 AM

Are both cars gutted?

1993fpgtatx · June 20th, 2008, 09:07 AM

no. mx6 had full interior.

probe has no back seats.

and I will check timing, I suppose it could be set wrong. We never set it when we put it in, but by it running great. I assumed it was set right.

Stugotz006 · June 20th, 2008, 10:11 AM

I assume you know your car, but it seems to me like your VRIS might not be functioning. The check valve on the ZE might very well be stuck due to it's age and time going unused.

Good quality vid btw

Static2k4 · June 20th, 2008, 10:16 AM

^^ Dude, your missing a LITTLE bit more than your back seats. You have nothing after the front seats.

JUST TO CLEAR EVERYONE UP

MY CAR
FULL interior, camera car, and I ended the races with 1/2 tank of gas.

DANIEL'S CAR
gutted not passanger. Not sure what his fuel was at, but I know for a fact it was well under mine.

There is a weight basis for you guys.

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siknin Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Age: 29 Posts: 2,124	stock exhaust isnt hurtin him as much as u think. I ran 14.6s with stock exhaust and a cannon still on my ze. Yea i got .2 or .1 tenths faster after i i redid a few things exhaust bein one of them but stilll u get the idea. also a gutted cat would help free up things __________________ 94 probe ze turbo

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tour96se PT Demi God Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: oneonta,ny Posts: 8,130	he's running the kl36 ecu. i always thought the 36 was the ze atx ecu? could be wrong though. __________________ 93gt 230k dd. ss headers,res. testpipe,greddy sp1 catback,ebay intake,97 tails To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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siknin Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Age: 29 Posts: 2,124	kl36 ecu has kl31 written on it in smaller print so it doesnt matter either way you go with a 5sp klze your good. I ran a kl36 ecu and je50 for years __________________ 94 probe ze turbo Last edited by siknin; June 19th, 2008 at 09:07 PM.

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kelderman94 Juiced Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 23 Posts: 868	What the hell is all this negativity about. A freshly swapped ZE was about even with a supposed high 14 second car. Who cares what he has in it? Its all about times, most ZE's run high 14/low 15 right after a swap. I say good racing, but real men race from a dig lol so get the tranny set up how you want it then do it over.

June 19th, 2008, 09:21 PM	#33
D'sMx6 PT Regular Join Date: May 2006 Location: milwaukee,wisconsin Posts: 695	Doesn't Static have no PS? Less parasitic loss Also, driver mod matters too. Good job Dan, keep up the good work. So, the next motor swap is mine right?

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Alexklze Turbo Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,726	Seems like an average ze vs a strong running de. And mx6's rule!!!!! haha bitches __________________ Ask Me Anything, about probes: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. BOOST IN FIFTH!!!!! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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tour96se PT Demi God Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: oneonta,ny Posts: 8,130	i'd check for 31 cams __________________ 93gt 230k dd. ss headers,res. testpipe,greddy sp1 catback,ebay intake,97 tails To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Static2k4 PT Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sturtevant Wi Age: 25 Posts: 701	I have a total of 0 I don't believe in sticker power... Also, it was sort of a drivers race. In our last race Daniel didn't start even with me, so on third honk I didn't floor it right away, did you see the slight jump he had? It more or less a timing the honks for me, because he knew when that last one was coming. I'm going to the strip today, so I will see what I put down... Not that it matters, there is something wrong with Daniel's car, so mine is just slow anyways... __________________ 01 Lincoln LS8 - New DD 93 PGT - R.I.P. 93 MX-6 - Modded... Sold... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 93 MX-3- Yeah it's boosted Gone 95 PGT - Sold Last edited by Static2k4; June 20th, 2008 at 05:16 AM.

June 20th, 2008, 05:37 AM	#43
slinkyPgT Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Milwaukee,wi Posts: 2,481	he has a klze ecu and a je-50 vaf off my mx-3 when it had a ze...i still think he needs to get used to the car and theway it drives a lil more __________________ All motor DE best so far "14.6 @94, 2.1 60ft" On a baby bottle, 55 dry shot "14.5 @98, 2.1 60ft"

June 20th, 2008, 06:16 AM	#45
1993fpgtatx PT Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,901	wow....what a lot going on in this thread after just one night of it being posted, lol Just to clear things up... I am running a kl36 ecu, and je-50 vaf. The exhaust is getting upgraded to 2.5" tonite. The cat is a high-flow magnaflow cat...no reason to gut it.. Ryans cars is very quick. It may seem I am running slow, but put me next to any other bolt-on DE and see what happens. My car pulls ALOT harder than it did before, and yeah will move even quicker after the exhaust goes on this weekend. Also to clear-up, that the cams were checked, heads were checked and they are both kl31. I have a true ze, and timing is good. Maybe that will help you understand how well ryans car runs. he is heading to the strip today, and I would not be surprised if he ran a 14.6-14.7 with a good launch and his normal awesome driving. __________________ Black '93 PGT KLZE W/ Bolt on's.

June 20th, 2008, 06:19 AM	#46
TABA Juiced Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: between kenosha and waukegan Age: 27 Posts: 844	i agree with kelderman, "dig" it also i agree with timing, check it out, if the disty is held back itll act fine but there might be some retard in there, thats killing top end and overall "bite"....hell run some research on squezing extra N/A power by advancing the timing to its optimum setting (im advanced and my car thinks its cool) while im thinking about it, whats the weight of trans lube you got? if it is overly heavy itll hinder the build of revs, therefore milking more power from the engine to spin the trans loaded with heavier than norm lube. engine oil weight and all that too plays trivial effect but enough to hinder performance in so many ways __________________ 97 Bravada - 05 TrailBlazer Last edited by TABA; June 20th, 2008 at 06:25 AM.

June 20th, 2008, 08:41 AM	#47
siknin Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Age: 29 Posts: 2,124	Are both cars gutted? __________________ 94 probe ze turbo

June 20th, 2008, 09:07 AM	#48
1993fpgtatx PT Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 4,901	no. mx6 had full interior. probe has no back seats. and I will check timing, I suppose it could be set wrong. We never set it when we put it in, but by it running great. I assumed it was set right. __________________ Black '93 PGT KLZE W/ Bolt on's.

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Stugotz006 Five Star Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: High Point, NC Age: 33 Posts: 4,722	I assume you know your car, but it seems to me like your VRIS might not be functioning. The check valve on the ZE might very well be stuck due to it's age and time going unused. Good quality vid btw __________________ *95 GT-ZE MTX* Arrow Silver -- Debadged -- Tinted -- H4s -- HS GenIV CAI -- PRD Wires -- Aluminum Painted IM -- Red Painted VCs -- Eibach ProKit -- Tokico Illuminas -- 17x7 Silver Konig“X” 5 Spokes -- Falken Ziex 225/45/17 -- Bendix Pads -- CM Stage 1 -- ebay headers -- RT Hi-Flow Cat -- BORLA Cat-Back -- OE Phenolic Spacers -- All Premier System To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Static2k4 PT Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sturtevant Wi Age: 25 Posts: 701	^^ Dude, your missing a LITTLE bit more than your back seats. You have nothing after the front seats. JUST TO CLEAR EVERYONE UP MY CAR FULL interior, camera car, and I ended the races with 1/2 tank of gas. DANIEL'S CAR gutted not passanger. Not sure what his fuel was at, but I know for a fact it was well under mine. There is a weight basis for you guys. __________________ 01 Lincoln LS8 - New DD 93 PGT - R.I.P. 93 MX-6 - Modded... Sold... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 93 MX-3- Yeah it's boosted Gone 95 PGT - Sold