ALL KLZE GUYS - BUNCH OF ??? AND COMMENTS

Jeff_Jeske · July 5th, 2001, 03:18 PM

I am considering a KLZE and I have done many searches on the archive as well as here. I have found answers to many questions but want more feedback fromt he current group of KLZE owners. I want a summary from you KLZE owners about all of the following questions. This could be used by others later on as well so please be thorough!!!

1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT?

2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do?

3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR?

4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?)

5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work?

6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE?

7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem?

8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise?

9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install.

10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood?

11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe?

12. Does it use the same O2 sensors?

As of 7/5/01 the best price I found was $1675 shipped for a 57k motor (no ecu).

I know E. L. Prototypes does the reprogramming so I will go to them directly if it is recommended to reprogram.

NBENZZZ · July 5th, 2001, 03:47 PM

I will try to answer these the best I can.

1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT?
Mine came from an automatic and there wasnt any problems at all during installation.

2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do?
I am using the disty and vaf from my KL-03 motor, the TB is the ZE

3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR?
I just said F-it

4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?)
I'm still using the KL-03 ecu and I get the check engine light still

5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work?
F-it!

6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE?
about the same as the 03

7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem?
not me :smile:

8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise?
I did and they both work fine

9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install.
No noises here

10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood?
I have the phenolic spacers installed and I dont have any hood clearance problems

11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe?
Mine didnt come with any exhaust manifolds. I am using the stock manifolds from my old motor

12. Does it use the same O2 sensors?
yup

As of 7/5/01 the best price I found was $1675 shipped for a 57k motor (no ecu).

I found mine and a local engine shop for $900!!! without the ecu of course

click this link for a picture
http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0...Yrbs8mdPde3lww

I hope this helps

93 Probe · July 5th, 2001, 04:05 PM

Jeff hopes this helps you out:

1. Most ZE were autos, as was mine. The presents no problem whatsoever for the install. Just simply switch the flywheels and make sure to get a pilot bearing. Thats all that I had to do.

2. Yes you must swap the distributor if you DON'T have an external coil setup ( MSD) The Ze disty is a external coil, and is supposedly superior to the 03 disty, so keep it. I kept the ZE throttle body on my car. Some people have switched them out in favor of making the EGR system work. I however am one of the people that said ******* it.

3. Said ******* it and sold the manifpld off.

4. Just bought a used ECU to send out here in the near future. I am going to talk to Derrick @ Corksport about having this done. I am actaully no longer pulling codes for the missing EGR plugs. I am only pulling a purge sensor code, which is a plug that is absent on the ZE manifold.

6. I am getting on average about 320 city miles per tank to about 420 highway miles per tank. So 21-28 mpg.

7. My idle is eratic, but has clamed down alot since installing the VITEK wires ( Thanks Baxter !!). It usually stes in about 750 after a second or two at 1k. Thats the only eratic thing about it. Maybe the ECU will fix that??

8. Reinstalled just the AC. The cruise didn't work in the first place, so I removed it. The AC I kept. It gets hot as hell around here.

9. Using Mobil 1 Synthetic oil every 3000 miles (5w-30) I am experiencing only ijector noise. The KL series engines were noisy engines for the most part anyway. Don Peters is the only one whose engine I can't tell is on..

10: Phenos clear fine from what I hear.
11.Mine came with just exhaust mainfolds.
12. Uses the same 02 sensors.
Pretty good price, mine was 1595, with really low miles. Virtually no signs of wear anywhere. Pistons wiped clean etc....

A few side notes... Dynoed at 158 at the wheels with Greddy and PRM as only mods. Install of engine is straight forward, just label EVERYTHING. Hopes this helps. Any questions, IM me.

pgt4speed · July 5th, 2001, 04:59 PM

1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT?
Bolted fine to my ATX.....then bolted with ease when I did the ATX>>MTX thing

2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do?
I just swapped the TB because I thought it was messing up the shifting on my transmission...turns out the transmission was toast...so basically it's a shits and giggles mod.....

3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR?
What EGR?

4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?)
No reprogramed ECU.....I have a CEL(cuz I elimated everything EGR) and I have a flashing o/d off light(elimated most stuff ATX, except the TCM)

5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work?
N/A

6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE?
Same as the KL03, if not better. Then again, my Level Ten T/C rocked and improved the gas mileage a bit

7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem?
Not me, 03 TB or ZE TB...no problems

8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise?
ME!

9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install.
A little, but my oil needs to be changed...dirty..yuck

10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood?
No pheno's yet:sad:

11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe?
Mine came with just the MANIFOLDS

12. Does it use the same O2 sensors?
YEP!

Black93GT · July 5th, 2001, 05:41 PM

There is no diffrence between the engine block for an ATX and MTX. In fact the tranny from the 2.0L I4 fits as well.
I installed the EGR and plug on the block, but never hooked up the vaccume lines or ran tubing into the intake manifold. I don't get any codes this way.
I also installed the AC and CC, but in the end, removed the CC actuator to fit the intake elbow.
The idle was a problem at first for me. the throttle linkage was bent durring shipping and i had to use the 03 TB. I also use the ZE idle air control so I wouldn't need to drill into the manifold.

Hans[93GT] · July 5th, 2001, 05:56 PM

All KL engines use the same HLAs, and if they're bad, they're bad.

Jeff_Jeske · July 5th, 2001, 06:08 PM

So far this is absolutely fabulous....After doing all the searches I had the impression that the aftermath of the ZE install was a tweaking nightmare.....this doesn't sound to bad.

Please keep the posts coming...I need as many of you to speak as possible.

Jeff

Shawn93GT · July 5th, 2001, 08:27 PM

well i don't have the ze, but rode in will's car. all i can say is the idle was dead smooth right on 700, the throttle body is very close to the brake master cylinder and some stuff has to be re-routed be no biggie. the ride was awesome, with his bullet exhaust its a definate head turner. I know he got the ac working fine, but the cruise? anyways hope it helps, if i was you i'd buy one :grin:

91PGT · July 5th, 2001, 10:13 PM

anyone with a ze run it at the track?

NBENZZZ · July 6th, 2001, 03:03 PM

Quote:

On Thursday July 5, 2001 8:13 PM, 91PGT wrote:
anyone with a ze run it at the track?

No not yet, but I am going to put my ZE on the dyno within a couple weeks. I cant wait for the new strip to open up at california speedway...

QuadCam_GT · July 6th, 2001, 08:47 PM

1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT?I have an ATX, A-TEAM y0!

2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do?left tb and VAF on

3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR?Mine is in place, but not working, not tripping CELs either

4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?)no CELs here

5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work?According to my mechanic, the mazda computer is "stupid," as long as the egr is there, it doesnt check to see if it is working.

6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE?'bout 20 mpg, but my 02s are bad

7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem?not me

8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise? I did

9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install.I dont have any, but you can run some 5w or 0w to get rid of it

10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood? I have a eunos 800 ZE, and it barely fits under there, I want phenos, but I dont think they will fit

11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe?
mine didnt even have the exhaust mani
12. Does it use the same O2 sensors?good question

As of 7/5/01 the best price I found was $1675 shipped for a 57k motor (no ecu).No shop should be able to give you an exact mileage, mine came with around 25k kilo's for 1600 from JapanDirect www.usedengines.com

stringer33 · July 6th, 2001, 09:59 PM

whats is a egr and a disty is that the computer

Jeff_Jeske · July 7th, 2001, 01:52 PM

The EGR is Exhaust Gas Recircluation which helps with emissions....the ZE doesn't emission devices installed.

Disty is the the Distributer where you plug wire connect to the rest of the motor.

The ZE uses a different program for the computer....it may eliminate the EGR check engine light but I am not sure.

Black93GT · July 7th, 2001, 08:21 PM

oh i get 26mpg. but i just noticed some knocking with the gas i have been using. it doesn't really like the 87 gas. but with a half tank of 93 and a bottle of octane boost, it purrs like a dream.

Jeff_Jeske · July 7th, 2001, 11:03 PM

Does anyone know if the reprogrammed ECU gets rid of the check engine light?

Rayman · July 7th, 2001, 11:34 PM

jeff, PM or email todd (Fazdaze) he did the EGR thing....actually just partially, me and him are both completing it this month hopefully, but he would be able to help u out with the EGR issue

QuadCam_GT · July 8th, 2001, 01:00 PM

corksport sells ECUs, drop them an email and ask about the CEL thing...

FWP! · July 8th, 2001, 06:11 PM

I am considering a KLZE and I have done many searches on the archive as well as here. I have found answers to many questions but want more feedback fromt he current group of KLZE owners. I want a summary from you KLZE owners about all of the following questions. This could be used by others later on as well so please be thorough!!!

1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT? nope, just replaced it with a flywheel.

2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do?
All i did was the disty

3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR?
I just put the egr valve and crap onto the block and hooked up the vacuum lines, no c/e light yet!

4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?)see above...

5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work?see above, I just hooked it up making the computer THINK there's an EGR

6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE?Keep getting ~390 miles to a tank, WAY better than with the 03

7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem?i don't! It's dead rock steady at 700 rpms, and dives for that 700 rpm idle, it's perfect

8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise?everything's workin fine for me.

9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install.No HLA noise, the engine sounds totally quiet, DEAD quiet

10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood?Nope!

11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe?just the exhaust manifolds came on mine, I just hooked up the y-pipe to them, no probs

12. Does it use the same O2 sensors?Seems to, better mileage and no c/e light

As of 7/5/01 the best price I found was $1675 shipped for a 57k motor (no ecu).
I got mine for $1195 shipped with no ecu, came with the alternator, water pump, steering pump, everything I needed cept for the a/c compressor which just bolted right on. The motor is practically brand new as well. Original oil filter, the block was sparkling clean, everything in perfect shape, I think i got a new one :smile:.

I know E. L. Prototypes does the reprogramming so I will go to them directly if it is recommended to reprogram. I want to get mine reprogrammed - the ZE requires a much different spark timing curve, so that means I'm missing out on some power right now with the 03's compuper. Dammit! Oh well, it's still quick :grin:

stringer33 · July 8th, 2001, 07:57 PM

so your saying you can use the disty from the 03

ScorpionProbe · July 8th, 2001, 11:03 PM

Quote:

On Sunday July 8, 2001 8:57 PM, stringer33 wrote:
so your saying you can use the disty from the 03

From what I know you HAVE to use the 03 disty unless you have an MSD with external coil...

I'm using the 03 disty, ZE t/b (sending the 03 to get bored to 65mm, then IT'S going on the ZE), and 03 VAF...

I'm gonna try Will's EGR idea once I get my hands on a EGR valve (sold mine, I'm a dunce!)

pgt4speed · July 8th, 2001, 11:06 PM

Yep.....

Quote:

On Sunday July 8, 2001 8:57 PM, stringer33 wrote:
so your saying you can use the disty from the 03

KaisGT · December 20th, 2003, 11:45 PM

hey 93PGT where did you get the KLZE with the alternator and everything on it.. i think my alternator is goin out and im gettin a ZE and that would be cool if my ZE came with a Alternator.

Chris04 · December 20th, 2003, 11:48 PM

HOLY SHIT you brang up a 2 year old post! why don't you private message him instead of bringing up such a old post?

ZEturboGT1 · December 21st, 2003, 12:56 AM

1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT?
No. The install went flawless

2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do?
didnt do this

3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR?
I definately said ***** it and welded up shut my hotshot headers

4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?)
I have the Mike Seli chip and the CEL light went off for the check engine light

6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE?
shitty... but i guess you cant really complain when you use 100+ octane at your fillups

7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem?
im idling at 1,500 RPMS. but when i disconnect the IAC it goes back down to 750, but the car sometimes dies when the IAC is disconnected

8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise?
AC reinstalled. Never had cruise

9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install.
My ZE does have the HLA noise but its not as bad.

10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood?
i have 2 Phenos on each set of runners and im havin no clearance issues only a SUPER cold manifold

11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe?
Just the exhaust mani's

12. Does it use the same O2 sensors?
for me it worked

spada · December 22nd, 2003, 11:36 AM

wow, what an old thread. this will only stay open if more posts like ^^^^^^^^^ (SilverPGT-R) are posted, since that was the original purpose, and it will still help some people today doing the swap. this has archive potential.

July 5th, 2001, 03:18 PM	#1
Jeff_Jeske MEMBER #11 (GODFATHER) Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: STEVENS POINT WI Age: 37 Posts: 7,930 iTrader: (58)	I am considering a KLZE and I have done many searches on the archive as well as here. I have found answers to many questions but want more feedback fromt he current group of KLZE owners. I want a summary from you KLZE owners about all of the following questions. This could be used by others later on as well so please be thorough!!! 1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT? 2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do? 3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR? 4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?) 5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work? 6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE? 7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem? 8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise? 9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install. 10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood? 11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe? 12. Does it use the same O2 sensors? As of 7/5/01 the best price I found was $1675 shipped for a 57k motor (no ecu). I know E. L. Prototypes does the reprogramming so I will go to them directly if it is recommended to reprogram. __________________ TARMAC BLACK 2006 EVOLUTION 9 SPECIAL EDITION JJM CUSTOM TUNE /// ETS FMIC /// STOCK EXHAUST W/QTP DP /// ZEITRONIX WB & MAP /// OHLINS DFV /// PERRIN REAR SWAY BAR www.BOOSTEDFILMS.com MY CAR DOMAIN

July 5th, 2001, 03:47 PM	#2
NBENZZZ Supercharged Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: San Bernardino, CA Posts: 1,105 iTrader: (0)	I will try to answer these the best I can. 1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT? Mine came from an automatic and there wasnt any problems at all during installation. 2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do? I am using the disty and vaf from my KL-03 motor, the TB is the ZE 3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR? I just said F-it 4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?) I'm still using the KL-03 ecu and I get the check engine light still 5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work? F-it! 6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE? about the same as the 03 7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem? not me :smile: 8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise? I did and they both work fine 9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install. No noises here 10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood? I have the phenolic spacers installed and I dont have any hood clearance problems 11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe? Mine didnt come with any exhaust manifolds. I am using the stock manifolds from my old motor 12. Does it use the same O2 sensors? yup As of 7/5/01 the best price I found was $1675 shipped for a 57k motor (no ecu). I found mine and a local engine shop for $900!!! without the ecu of course click this link for a picture http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0...Yrbs8mdPde3lww I hope this helps __________________ Nathan 1994 GT/KLZE/NOS (old car) 1986 Corolla GTS(AE86) (new car)

July 5th, 2001, 04:05 PM	#3
93 Probe Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Work by day, bar by night. Age: 26 Posts: 2,282 iTrader: (0)	Jeff hopes this helps you out: 1. Most ZE were autos, as was mine. The presents no problem whatsoever for the install. Just simply switch the flywheels and make sure to get a pilot bearing. Thats all that I had to do. 2. Yes you must swap the distributor if you DON'T have an external coil setup ( MSD) The Ze disty is a external coil, and is supposedly superior to the 03 disty, so keep it. I kept the ZE throttle body on my car. Some people have switched them out in favor of making the EGR system work. I however am one of the people that said ***** it. 3. Said ***** it and sold the manifpld off. 4. Just bought a used ECU to send out here in the near future. I am going to talk to Derrick @ Corksport about having this done. I am actaully no longer pulling codes for the missing EGR plugs. I am only pulling a purge sensor code, which is a plug that is absent on the ZE manifold. 6. I am getting on average about 320 city miles per tank to about 420 highway miles per tank. So 21-28 mpg. 7. My idle is eratic, but has clamed down alot since installing the VITEK wires ( Thanks Baxter !!). It usually stes in about 750 after a second or two at 1k. Thats the only eratic thing about it. Maybe the ECU will fix that?? 8. Reinstalled just the AC. The cruise didn't work in the first place, so I removed it. The AC I kept. It gets hot as hell around here. 9. Using Mobil 1 Synthetic oil every 3000 miles (5w-30) I am experiencing only ijector noise. The KL series engines were noisy engines for the most part anyway. Don Peters is the only one whose engine I can't tell is on.. 10: Phenos clear fine from what I hear. 11.Mine came with just exhaust mainfolds. 12. Uses the same 02 sensors. Pretty good price, mine was 1595, with really low miles. Virtually no signs of wear anywhere. Pistons wiped clean etc.... A few side notes... Dynoed at 158 at the wheels with Greddy and PRM as only mods. Install of engine is straight forward, just label EVERYTHING. Hopes this helps. Any questions, IM me. __________________ I drove a Probe that had more goodies than most.

July 5th, 2001, 04:59 PM	#4
pgt4speed POC Mod Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: 2 miles away from where my Probe is stored. Which is farther than the nearest Taco Bell. Age: 29 Posts: 12,349 iTrader: (12)	1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT? Bolted fine to my ATX.....then bolted with ease when I did the ATX>>MTX thing 2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do? I just swapped the TB because I thought it was messing up the shifting on my transmission...turns out the transmission was toast...so basically it's a shits and giggles mod..... 3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR? What EGR? 4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?) No reprogramed ECU.....I have a CEL(cuz I elimated everything EGR) and I have a flashing o/d off light(elimated most stuff ATX, except the TCM) 5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work? N/A 6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE? Same as the KL03, if not better. Then again, my Level Ten T/C rocked and improved the gas mileage a bit 7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem? Not me, 03 TB or ZE TB...no problems 8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise? ME! 9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install. A little, but my oil needs to be changed...dirty..yuck 10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood? No pheno's yet:sad: 11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe? Mine came with just the MANIFOLDS 12. Does it use the same O2 sensors? YEP! __________________ §åñdôñ L€††Ï€rï™ GIS Graduate Student 1993 FørÐ Prøß€ GT - 172.8whp / 160.7wtq - 171.9whp / 161.1wtq - 137k, Like the Nintendo 64, "The Fun Machine" 1996 Saturn SL2 - 110.7whp / 111.8wtq - 143k, The Penalty Box! My Probe really wants Mazda 6 brakes

July 5th, 2001, 05:56 PM	#6
Hans[93GT] Five Star Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Bay Area Posts: 15,442 iTrader: (1)	All KL engines use the same HLAs, and if they're bad, they're bad. __________________ Tina Fey: "First off I just wanna say how excited I am to be in front of both the liberal elite media as well as the liberal regular media"

July 5th, 2001, 05:41 PM	#5
Black93GT Turbo Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: One wheel up. Posts: 1,800 iTrader: (0)	There is no diffrence between the engine block for an ATX and MTX. In fact the tranny from the 2.0L I4 fits as well. I installed the EGR and plug on the block, but never hooked up the vaccume lines or ran tubing into the intake manifold. I don't get any codes this way. I also installed the AC and CC, but in the end, removed the CC actuator to fit the intake elbow. The idle was a problem at first for me. the throttle linkage was bent durring shipping and i had to use the 03 TB. I also use the ZE idle air control so I wouldn't need to drill into the manifold.

July 5th, 2001, 06:08 PM	#7
Jeff_Jeske MEMBER #11 (GODFATHER) Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: STEVENS POINT WI Age: 37 Posts: 7,930 iTrader: (58)	So far this is absolutely fabulous....After doing all the searches I had the impression that the aftermath of the ZE install was a tweaking nightmare.....this doesn't sound to bad. Please keep the posts coming...I need as many of you to speak as possible. Jeff __________________ TARMAC BLACK 2006 EVOLUTION 9 SPECIAL EDITION JJM CUSTOM TUNE /// ETS FMIC /// STOCK EXHAUST W/QTP DP /// ZEITRONIX WB & MAP /// OHLINS DFV /// PERRIN REAR SWAY BAR www.BOOSTEDFILMS.com MY CAR DOMAIN

July 5th, 2001, 08:27 PM	#8
Shawn93GT Turbo Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: upstate NY, it sucks! Age: 30 Posts: 1,728 iTrader: (1)	well i don't have the ze, but rode in will's car. all i can say is the idle was dead smooth right on 700, the throttle body is very close to the brake master cylinder and some stuff has to be re-routed be no biggie. the ride was awesome, with his bullet exhaust its a definate head turner. I know he got the ac working fine, but the cruise? anyways hope it helps, if i was you i'd buy one :grin:

July 5th, 2001, 10:13 PM	#9
91PGT Guest Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: pittsburgh Age: 28 Posts: 7,677 iTrader: (-1)	anyone with a ze run it at the track?

July 6th, 2001, 08:47 PM	#11
QuadCam_GT PT Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: the Underground Age: 26 Posts: 19,049 iTrader: (3)	1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT?I have an ATX, A-TEAM y0! 2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do?left tb and VAF on 3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR?Mine is in place, but not working, not tripping CELs either 4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?)no CELs here 5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work?According to my mechanic, the mazda computer is "stupid," as long as the egr is there, it doesnt check to see if it is working. 6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE?'bout 20 mpg, but my 02s are bad 7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem?not me 8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise? I did 9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install.I dont have any, but you can run some 5w or 0w to get rid of it 10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood? I have a eunos 800 ZE, and it barely fits under there, I want phenos, but I dont think they will fit 11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe? mine didnt even have the exhaust mani 12. Does it use the same O2 sensors?good question As of 7/5/01 the best price I found was $1675 shipped for a 57k motor (no ecu).No shop should be able to give you an exact mileage, mine came with around 25k kilo's for 1600 from JapanDirect www.usedengines.com __________________ _™

July 6th, 2001, 09:59 PM	#12
stringer33 PT Regular Join Date: May 2001 Location: NY,LoNgIsLaNd Posts: 426 iTrader: (0)	whats is a egr and a disty is that the computer

July 7th, 2001, 01:52 PM	#13
Jeff_Jeske MEMBER #11 (GODFATHER) Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: STEVENS POINT WI Age: 37 Posts: 7,930 iTrader: (58)	The EGR is Exhaust Gas Recircluation which helps with emissions....the ZE doesn't emission devices installed. Disty is the the Distributer where you plug wire connect to the rest of the motor. The ZE uses a different program for the computer....it may eliminate the EGR check engine light but I am not sure. __________________ TARMAC BLACK 2006 EVOLUTION 9 SPECIAL EDITION JJM CUSTOM TUNE /// ETS FMIC /// STOCK EXHAUST W/QTP DP /// ZEITRONIX WB & MAP /// OHLINS DFV /// PERRIN REAR SWAY BAR www.BOOSTEDFILMS.com MY CAR DOMAIN

July 7th, 2001, 08:21 PM	#14
Black93GT Turbo Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: One wheel up. Posts: 1,800 iTrader: (0)	oh i get 26mpg. but i just noticed some knocking with the gas i have been using. it doesn't really like the 87 gas. but with a half tank of 93 and a bottle of octane boost, it purrs like a dream.

July 7th, 2001, 11:03 PM	#15
Jeff_Jeske MEMBER #11 (GODFATHER) Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: STEVENS POINT WI Age: 37 Posts: 7,930 iTrader: (58)	Does anyone know if the reprogrammed ECU gets rid of the check engine light?

July 7th, 2001, 11:34 PM	#16
Rayman I make T-shirts for PT! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: PT corner store Age: 28 Posts: 22,749 iTrader: (14)	jeff, PM or email todd (Fazdaze) he did the EGR thing....actually just partially, me and him are both completing it this month hopefully, but he would be able to help u out with the EGR issue __________________ Official PT-shirts are here! 20th Anniversary T-shirts DESIGNBYRAY.COM \| RIDE2WEAR.COM 95 Ford Probe GT \| 03 Dodge Ram 1500 ST \| 71 Ford Mustang "Mach I" clone \| 90 Mazda 323 \| 00 Yamaha YZF-R6 \| 2003 Kawasaki Z1000

July 8th, 2001, 01:00 PM	#17
QuadCam_GT PT Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: the Underground Age: 26 Posts: 19,049 iTrader: (3)	corksport sells ECUs, drop them an email and ask about the CEL thing... __________________ _™

July 8th, 2001, 06:11 PM	#18
FWP! PT Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Rochester NY. Shittiest. Town. Evar. Age: 29 Posts: 15,592 iTrader: (4)	I am considering a KLZE and I have done many searches on the archive as well as here. I have found answers to many questions but want more feedback fromt he current group of KLZE owners. I want a summary from you KLZE owners about all of the following questions. This could be used by others later on as well so please be thorough!!! 1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT? nope, just replaced it with a flywheel. 2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do? All i did was the disty 3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR? I just put the egr valve and crap onto the block and hooked up the vacuum lines, no c/e light yet! 4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?)see above... 5. If you did install the EGR how did you do it? Any "really neat way" to make it all work?see above, I just hooked it up making the computer THINK there's an EGR 6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE?Keep getting ~390 miles to a tank, WAY better than with the 03 7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem?i don't! It's dead rock steady at 700 rpms, and dives for that 700 rpm idle, it's perfect 8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise?everything's workin fine for me. 9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install.No HLA noise, the engine sounds totally quiet, DEAD quiet 10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood?Nope! 11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe?just the exhaust manifolds came on mine, I just hooked up the y-pipe to them, no probs 12. Does it use the same O2 sensors?Seems to, better mileage and no c/e light As of 7/5/01 the best price I found was $1675 shipped for a 57k motor (no ecu). I got mine for $1195 shipped with no ecu, came with the alternator, water pump, steering pump, everything I needed cept for the a/c compressor which just bolted right on. The motor is practically brand new as well. Original oil filter, the block was sparkling clean, everything in perfect shape, I think i got a new one :smile:. I know E. L. Prototypes does the reprogramming so I will go to them directly if it is recommended to reprogram. I want to get mine reprogrammed - the ZE requires a much different spark timing curve, so that means I'm missing out on some power right now with the 03's compuper. Dammit! Oh well, it's still quick :grin: __________________ Current daily: 2007 Chrysler Town and Country pimp wagon work van Weekender: Black Mica MazdaSpeed3 - pics http://www.willp-photo.com/ Past: '88 626 turbo, '93 red PGT, '94 white PGT, '95 Purple PGT, '95 Red PGT, '00 MGT; The mom's car: White on black GTS, 5 speed, tint, 85k miles

July 8th, 2001, 07:57 PM	#19
stringer33 PT Regular Join Date: May 2001 Location: NY,LoNgIsLaNd Posts: 426 iTrader: (0)	so your saying you can use the disty from the 03

December 20th, 2003, 11:45 PM	#22
KaisGT Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Yankton, South Dakota Posts: 343 iTrader: (0)	hey 93PGT where did you get the KLZE with the alternator and everything on it.. i think my alternator is goin out and im gettin a ZE and that would be cool if my ZE came with a Alternator.

December 20th, 2003, 11:48 PM	#23
Chris04 Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: WISPOC (RACINE) Posts: 2,426 iTrader: (2)	HOLY SHIT you brang up a 2 year old post! why don't you private message him instead of bringing up such a old post? __________________ 93 " Black GT 15.1 @ 91.70 2.091 60' (before all the mods) PROBE SOLD

December 21st, 2003, 12:56 AM	#24
ZEturboGT1 aka: SilverPGT-R White94GTS Join Date: May 2006 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 1,630 iTrader: (30)	1. Most KLZE engines were automatics. Did this present a problem when installing in an MTX PGT? No. The install went flawless 2. I understand that the only swap you MUST do is the Disty....however some people have swapped out the TB and VAF. What did you do? didnt do this 3. I know the EGR needs to be tapped on the intake manifold...but...how many of you just said F-it and didn't install the EGR? I definately said * it and welded up shut my hotshot headers 4. If you said F-it to the above did the reprogrammed CPU eliminate the check engine light that you get with the OEM ECU? (You do get a check engine light right?) I have the Mike Seli chip and the CEL light went off for the check engine light 6. Just for laughs..what kind of mileage are you getting with the ZE? shitty... but i guess you cant really complain when you use 100+ octane at your fillups 7. How many of you have the eratic idle problem? im idling at 1,500 RPMS. but when i disconnect the IAC it goes back down to 750, but the car sometimes dies when the IAC is disconnected 8. How many of you re-installed the AC and cruise? AC reinstalled. Never had cruise 9. Does the ZE have HLA noise and if so can it be corrected prior to install. My ZE does have the HLA noise but its not as bad. 10. If installed pheno's any clearance problems with the hood? i have 2 Phenos on each set of runners and im havin no clearance issues only a SUPER cold manifold 11. Does it come with exhaust manifolds all the way back to the cat or just the downpipe? Just the exhaust mani's 12. Does it use the same O2 sensors? for me it worked

December 22nd, 2003, 11:36 AM	#25
spada ProbeTalk MC Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Eating spaghetti in Rochester Hills Age: 29 Posts: 14,793 iTrader: (6)	wow, what an old thread. this will only stay open if more posts like ^^^^^^^^^ (SilverPGT-R) are posted, since that was the original purpose, and it will still help some people today doing the swap. this has archive potential. __________________ 1994 Probe GT Megasquirted ZE - 183.7whp/167.2wtrq on 87 octane 1995 Ford Probe GT - bone stock 2005 Saab 9-2x Linear... grocery getter 2008 Ford Fusion SEL 32mpg Company car.