Phenolic resin in tube form

RYGT · November 15th, 2001, 07:55 PM

Screw ABS, I've discovered phenolic resin in tube form. $10 a foot. Not bad I dont think. Anyone messed with doing something like this yet? Some one has to have...

I forgot how it's made. Some one want to explain it again? I know it's a liquid at some point. And mixed with something else?

One more random thought. What if you had a tub of phenolic resin in it's liquid form, then diped an intake manifold in it?... Hmmm?

:smile:

iamdung · November 15th, 2001, 08:16 PM

what are you hinting doing with it? downpipe for an intake i assume? doesnt ceramic coating do the same thing basically as phenolic plastic?

RYGT · November 15th, 2001, 08:31 PM

Yeah, intake piping. Sorry if that was not clear. :smile:

I think a tube of phenolic would be WAY more effective than a ceramic coated steel pipe. And cheaper too. Not quite as good looking though.

1/4" thick stuff that is SUPER non-heat conducting versus 1/16th" (?) of steel with a thing coating...?

Darin has said he belives that ABS is the best stuff to use. But, I dont' think anyone would argue that phenolic would even be a step above that. :smile:

bluehornet · November 15th, 2001, 08:36 PM

Stupid question, but how would one go about making the downpipe? Obviously a mold, but how would it be done? For some reason I keep thinking of how one greases a cake pan, but I'm pretty sure butter isn't going to be involved here.

RYGT · November 15th, 2001, 08:58 PM

Well, "one" wouldn't be making it. It's done. I found places that sell it pre made. As for bends? I didn't even see if that was availble. If not, I can use ABS bends. No biggie. If I can I'll send a design to the company and have it custom made to bend where I want. I don't see that very possible unless I had a bunch made.

KCV6 · November 15th, 2001, 09:00 PM

Off but on topic,

The best release agent I've found (criteria to meet are cheap and simple) is to mix soap shavings in water ina spray bottle. spray on the mould and polish with a cloth. Do this several times. I've used this to produce carbon fibre and fibreglass bits.

I believe there are two types of "formed" phenolic plastics. One uses layers of cloth weave (this is what I use to make my spacers), the other is a "paper pulp". Don't ask, Ive never used it.....

GT93SCinNY · November 16th, 2001, 08:42 AM

Plastic tubing is often made by the process of extruding. Many Playdooh kits have an extruder attachment.

RYGT · November 16th, 2001, 08:51 AM

You mean it's squeezed through a shape to give it it's form?

Interesting...

I have an HP book on fiberglass and other composite material. Only touches briefly on phenolic, little on PVC, and none on ABS.

November 15th, 2001, 07:55 PM	#1
RYGT PT Guru Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Portland, OR Age: 29 Posts: 6,313	Screw ABS, I've discovered phenolic resin in tube form. $10 a foot. Not bad I dont think. Anyone messed with doing something like this yet? Some one has to have... I forgot how it's made. Some one want to explain it again? I know it's a liquid at some point. And mixed with something else? One more random thought. What if you had a tub of phenolic resin in it's liquid form, then diped an intake manifold in it?... Hmmm? :smile: __________________ ~SonicRacing~ PT member #24 1993 Probe GT -ZE (for sale, $2k) 1987 RX-7 Turbo II (for sale, $2k) 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege (for sale, $22k)

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November 15th, 2001, 08:31 PM	#3
RYGT PT Guru Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Portland, OR Age: 29 Posts: 6,313	Yeah, intake piping. Sorry if that was not clear. :smile: I think a tube of phenolic would be WAY more effective than a ceramic coated steel pipe. And cheaper too. Not quite as good looking though. 1/4" thick stuff that is SUPER non-heat conducting versus 1/16th" (?) of steel with a thing coating...? Darin has said he belives that ABS is the best stuff to use. But, I dont' think anyone would argue that phenolic would even be a step above that. :smile: __________________ ~SonicRacing~ PT member #24 1993 Probe GT -ZE (for sale, $2k) 1987 RX-7 Turbo II (for sale, $2k) 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege (for sale, $22k)

November 15th, 2001, 08:58 PM	#5
RYGT PT Guru Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Portland, OR Age: 29 Posts: 6,313	Well, "one" wouldn't be making it. It's done. I found places that sell it pre made. As for bends? I didn't even see if that was availble. If not, I can use ABS bends. No biggie. If I can I'll send a design to the company and have it custom made to bend where I want. I don't see that very possible unless I had a bunch made. __________________ ~SonicRacing~ PT member #24 1993 Probe GT -ZE (for sale, $2k) 1987 RX-7 Turbo II (for sale, $2k) 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege (for sale, $22k)

November 15th, 2001, 09:00 PM	#6
KCV6 PT Regular Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Age: 45 Posts: 686	Off but on topic, The best release agent I've found (criteria to meet are cheap and simple) is to mix soap shavings in water ina spray bottle. spray on the mould and polish with a cloth. Do this several times. I've used this to produce carbon fibre and fibreglass bits. I believe there are two types of "formed" phenolic plastics. One uses layers of cloth weave (this is what I use to make my spacers), the other is a "paper pulp". Don't ask, Ive never used it..... __________________ Mark 03 Mazda6 Classic Hatch, Snowflake White Pearl, re-built 2.3L Duratec. 07 Mazda6 MPS Velocity Red.

November 15th, 2001, 08:36 PM	#4
bluehornet PT is my life! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Machine Posts: 12,696	Stupid question, but how would one go about making the downpipe? Obviously a mold, but how would it be done? For some reason I keep thinking of how one greases a cake pan, but I'm pretty sure butter isn't going to be involved here.

November 16th, 2001, 08:42 AM	#7
GT93SCinNY Supercharged Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,297	Plastic tubing is often made by the process of extruding. Many Playdooh kits have an extruder attachment.

November 16th, 2001, 08:51 AM	#8
RYGT PT Guru Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Portland, OR Age: 29 Posts: 6,313	You mean it's squeezed through a shape to give it it's form? Interesting... I have an HP book on fiberglass and other composite material. Only touches briefly on phenolic, little on PVC, and none on ABS. __________________ ~SonicRacing~ PT member #24 1993 Probe GT -ZE (for sale, $2k) 1987 RX-7 Turbo II (for sale, $2k) 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege (for sale, $22k)