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Old November 29th, 2015, 05:04 PM   #1
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Talking FE3 RX-8 build

I always wanted to put FE3 into a RWD platform. I recently got a miata, but I didn't fit into it so well. I was able for find 2004 RX8 with bad engine fairly cheap($2100). So I sold my miata and started a new project.

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-2000 Kia Sportage FE3
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- Custom built Intake and Exhaust manifolds
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- MS3X engine management.

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B2600 bell housing and 5 speed Trans installed.



Since the head protrudes about 2.25" aft, the firewall had to be cut.



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I got about 3/16" gap between the head components and the HVAC enclosure, just enough to close up the firewall with #12 sheetmetal



Engine mounts are done.
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Old November 29th, 2015, 05:26 PM   #2
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Awesome. ... build.

The Fe3 is an amazing motor !
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Old November 29th, 2015, 06:30 PM   #3
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Old November 30th, 2015, 01:40 PM   #5
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Definitely A+ for creativity and effort. So does the FE3 actually bolt up to the Rx8 tranny without any modifications?
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Old November 30th, 2015, 03:08 PM   #6
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He used a b2600 bell housing.

Just realized this isn't a jdm Mazda Fe3.
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Old November 30th, 2015, 04:36 PM   #7
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Definitely A+ for creativity and effort. So does the FE3 actually bolt up to the Rx8 tranny without any modifications?
You have to use JDM or Europe 5 speed gear box and B2600 bellhousing(it has 10* twist to it) Unless you can get a bellhousing from Bongo van(I call it the unicorn because it's over seas and getting it here in US would be a miracle), it's pretty much an FD gear box with RX8 tail housing that way it still bolts up to the factory PPF. The 6 speed has different bellhousing to trans pattern, so you can't do that. I hear 5 speed in stronger anyways. I wish we still had a good supply of JDM FE3 engines, I will rebuild this engine with stock pistons and rods and see how well it holds up.
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Old December 1st, 2015, 09:55 AM   #8
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very cool! Never considered an rx8 for a platform of this nature... seem like a good deal!
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Old December 1st, 2015, 12:30 PM   #9
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very cool! Never considered an rx8 for a platform of this nature... seem like a good deal!
Yeah it cost me the same as my damaged 2001 Miata. And RX8 is pretty much stretched and roomy Miata.
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Old December 1st, 2015, 08:20 PM   #10
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So you are telling us that fe3 and bell housing swap work easier then a with a rx7 turbo tranny where you need the bongo input shaft!!!!! Damn I love mazda for recycling parts !
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Old December 1st, 2015, 09:53 PM   #11
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From research I did, FD trans has longer input shaft than TII, bongo van bellhousing would of been ideal (same as b2600 but no weird twist) but good luck getting one here. So 5 speed RX8 trans($400+shipping) seemed to be the way to go.
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Old December 2nd, 2015, 12:52 AM   #12
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Old December 2nd, 2015, 08:25 AM   #13
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Old December 27th, 2015, 11:31 AM   #14
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Not too much progress has been made, the firewall is almost closed back up(I ran out of welding gas). I was planning on building full intake manifold from scratch but KIA intake somewhat fits, but it also block some heater/AC hoses.





Had to trim off some end tank features.



I'm debating if I should chop up stock intake and reused flange and portion of the runners.
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Old December 28th, 2015, 01:14 PM   #16
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Does anyone know if probes FE 2.0 exhaust port spacing is the same as 1.8BP(Miata) I'm thinking of using turbo manifold if the spacing is the same( probe has wider flange, which I need to change the hole pattern)

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Nice!!Ive been waiting for somebody to do this swap!!
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Old December 29th, 2015, 11:16 PM   #18
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Test fitted center gauge pod



I also plan to run Android tablet to display TunerStudio.

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Old January 13th, 2016, 12:38 PM   #19
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My 550lb scales came in, so I weighted the long block and it was around 220lb



I also took off all of the oem cast steel brackets and they weighted around 40lb!
I'm planning on making my own brackets for A/C and Alternator out of 1/4 aluminum.
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Old January 13th, 2016, 01:50 PM   #20
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Nice! Pretty light, I am curious about the total weight with flywheel, intake manifold, exhaust headers, and your pulley system. Keep us posted. Thanks

I am impressed with the Major weight loss 40 lbs. That is awesome
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Nice! Pretty light, I am curious about the total weight with flywheel, intake manifold, exhaust headers, and your pulley system. Keep us posted. Thanks

I am impressed with the Major weight loss 40 lbs. That is awesome
I'm toren up on the crank pulley issue, KIA pulley has V belt, 4 and 5 rib pulleys on the dampener, I need to use only 4 rib pulley and I also need to mout RX8 trigger wheel. Also Kia dampener runs into steering rack, I have RX8 4 rib pulley and trigger wheel but RX8 don't have a dampener on their pulley set up.

So Kia pulley
PROS:
- it fits
- harmonic dampener
CONS:
- Runs into steering rack
- has unnecessary pulleys = extra weight
- needs a trigger wheel

Rx8 pulley with adapter
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- light weight

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Post some pictures of the kia unit. I may have some Ideas for you because I had similar issues. Do not use the rx8 unit. To do this right stick with a harmonic damper.
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I looked at Fluidampr and they bring up a good point that OEM dampeners are tuned for a narrow band of frequency that changes if you mod the engine or increase load(boost). Fluidampr uses internal flywheel and fluid, that way the dampening occurres through fluid shear, therefore it works through full frequency range. Down side is that their dampener is over $500 and they don't have one for Mazda 4 cyl, one for DSM 4g63 looks like the closest adaptable option.

Kia uses 6 non symmetrical bolts to attach the pulley to the crank timing sprocket

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Finally got the flanges cut.



There is some port mismatch on cyl 2 & 3, I just blended the edge.






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There are some issues that need to be worked out due to double flange like length of studs and turbo being too close to fuel lines.
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Old February 1st, 2016, 10:49 AM   #25
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That is an impressive project, good luck!

After owning the RX-8 a couple of years back I'm not opposed to picking one up again but... something needs to be done with the powerplant haha.

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