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Old July 3rd, 2017, 10:00 AM   #26
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I don't understand why people are complaining about the price for a single owner Probe with 17K original miles. I don't have the money to buy it -but it sounds like a fair price to me because of the miles.

I am sure that it is pristine and of collector value if it has always been garaged. $4k what you pay for a 80-100k car that is in very good condition and not a 17k car. If you are a $1k buyer then you should be looking at 140-150k cars and not 17k while complaining about the price.

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$2650.00 after a car is so many years old mileage doesnt matter

and thats in excellent condition -

Excellent - 3% of cars are excellent condition

Looks new and is in excellent mechanical condition
Has never had any paint touch-ups and/or bodywork
Does not need reconditioning
The engine compartment is clean and free of leaks
Is free of rust
The body and interior are free of wear or visible defects
Wheels are flawless
All tires match and are like new
Has a clean title history and will pass a safety and smog inspection
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this is why $11000 is way too much money

he stand a better chance at $5000 and thats still a little high

it's not like this car is a well sought after car by many and if you bought it you would never get half your money back out of it

there is no value or market for a probe unless you just a guy that likes to be probed lol

dont you hate the probe jokes

I know you die hard probe guys love probes but theres a big difference between love and reality


love - you spend $11k
reality- car doesnt value that high

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Old July 3rd, 2017, 01:00 PM   #27
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I don't understand why people are complaining about the price for a single owner Probe with 17K original miles. I don't have the money to buy it -but it sounds like a fair price to me because of the miles.

I am sure that it is pristine and of collector value if it has always been garaged. $4k what you pay for a 80-100k car that is in very good condition and not a 17k car. If you are a $1k buyer then you should be looking at 140-150k cars and not 17k while complaining about the price.
It's only worth what people are willing to pay. For a Probe GT, 4k is my ceiling. For the Porsche I just bought, I paid much more.

I didn't complain, I said 11k was too high for me. I rather spend that 11k on my turbo 944.

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Old July 4th, 2017, 11:23 AM   #28
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for a reference, KBB private sale value, even with the low, low, low mileage is only around $3200 for the area it's in. if it were a MT instead of AT i'd be more interested, but only in the 5k-6k range. don't really have even that much to spend, would try an find a way for a MT. There's a 97GTS in the same area with 135k, a MT, and at a more realistic price point.
You cannot rely on KBB. It will tell you that almost any antique car with extremely low mileage isn't worth crap. I ignore KBB because it is a tool for banks and nothing more!

17k miles is just a little over new mileage. A newer Honda or similar with only 17k miles won't be priced too far below the original price. A Probe (in the days of production) that cost $15k would now cost (with inflation added) probably around $25k or so. And if you knock some off for the few miles put on it -then $11k sounds fair to me. $4k sounds like a low-ball offer to me. Could you successfully low-ball a 17k mile Honda priced at $15k for less than half of what the seller is asking? I doubt it!
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Old July 4th, 2017, 12:54 PM   #29
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hey guys there is no need for us to go back and forth about this



no one in the right mind is gonna pay 11k for a probe

klzep - I understand your point clearly and I would agree with you totally if we was talking about any other car other than a probe, your theory holds alot of weight but it only applies to cars that are very sought after.


If you took a probe to Barret Jackson or Mecum I serious doubt a probe would get any bid offers over 2k

Ford biggest mistake with the Probe was they made it FWD

there second biggest was putting a weak v6 with a weak transmission in it

A probe probably would be a more sought after car if it came rwd from the factory because it gives the car options to highly sought after engine swaps (ls,vq,2jz,rb)

Probe has a nice look nice body lines even compared to some of the more up to date cars out now. but the lack of power, lack of aftermaket support and the lack of being rwd puts the car so far down this list of sought after cars it's not funny

We that come here to probetalk love probes I am not different that anyones else. But like I was saying before -----

loving a probe is a big difference than the reality of having or wanting a probe

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Old July 5th, 2017, 01:09 AM   #30
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Oh yeah, I still own a 95 PGT I bought in GA back in 2014... I think this is my 4th Probe overall?

But she's in the garage at the moment, getting some cool stuff done to her.
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Old July 5th, 2017, 06:05 AM   #31
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klzep - I understand your point clearly and I would agree with you totally if we was talking about any other car other than a probe, your theory holds alot of weight but it only applies to cars that are very sought after.

Even other cars fall into the same bucket. 944s with ultra low miles barely break 20k in the NA trim. That is to a Porsche collector.

If the mile creep up past anything other than absurd time capsule the value drops to 5k.

At the end of the day, something is only worth what someone will pay.
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Old July 5th, 2017, 06:41 AM   #32
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I own 3, but am involved with 4. I gave one to my brother in law and I help him maintain it.

I personally am looking for a nice one, one with 17000 miles popped up locally from an original owner. He is asking 11,000, so I passed.
This has been sent to me probably 5 times already since it's local. It's a 4cyl auto buuuuutttt 30k miles. 3400 dollars

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/6178598795.html

I mean if you want a good candidate for a ZE swap here it is.
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Old July 5th, 2017, 03:10 PM   #33
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I'd take a 2g Probe GT over a 944 NA, turbo too. They're too small, getting in and out sucks, no room in the trunk. So far as performance goes, you can get that out of a Probe and the Probe will sound better. 911 or a Boxster/Cayman is a whole nuther story. I will say this, no matter the miles or age 944s do feel solid.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 09:15 AM   #34
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94 PGT that I bought new in late '94. Just turned 150k and use it as a DD. Still get people every day in all sorts of vehicles wanting to race me because it looks somewhat Ferrari-like with the wheels/suspension and sounds kind of healthy with the Greddy exhaust...even though the paint has seen it's better days.

And speaking of paint and overall subjective Probe values, the reason I haven't already had it repainted is because the current cost of paint/labor would total more than the car is "worth" (to everyone except me that is) that I'd never recoupe if I decided to sell it.

Toying around with some PlastiDip kn a set of wheels right now, and if the finished product looks decent, I may just go that route for the time being. It'd also be nice to source some new door seals, so if anyone has found a replacement option, I'd appreciate the info.
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I'd take a 2g Probe GT over a 944 NA, turbo too. They're too small, getting in and out sucks, no room in the trunk. So far as performance goes, you can get that out of a Probe and the Probe will sound better. 911 or a Boxster/Cayman is a whole nuther story. I will say this, no matter the miles or age 944s do feel solid.
I don't think there is much of a comparison between a 944 and a probe. But I do own both.
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I don't think there is much of a comparison between a 944 and a probe. But I do own both.
Same here, only mines a 928.
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I don't think there is much of a comparison between a 944 and a probe. But I do own both.
there's not

apples and oranges

porsche will sell just because of its name

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apples and oranges

porsche will sell just because of its name

probe wont
The point was earlier, even a relatively appreciated brand has cars that sell for far less than they are "worth".

It's only very recent that 944 prices have crept up from, nearly free.

My comment about, preferring it was referring to the previous poster saying he liked his probe better than the 944. With that said, I am doing autox in a 1994 GT and I daily it.

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This has been sent to me probably 5 times already since it's local. It's a 4cyl auto buuuuutttt 30k miles. 3400 dollars

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/6178598795.html

I mean if you want a good candidate for a ZE swap here it is.
Nice car, I have plenty of project to worry about.
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"Originally Posted by KaedenKy View Post
I don't think there is much of a comparison between a 944 and a probe. But I do own both."

There's lots to compare. The weight is pretty close with the Probe being lighter. There's more space in a Probe. More options in a Probe. V6 engine in a Probe. You can easily mod a Probe to beat a 944 turbo. Braking: Ford Probe 115 feet from 60, Porsche 944 138 feet from 60. Skid pad: .85 for the Probe, .84 944. 944 sunroof has to be taken out to be fully open, which involves pulling over getting in and out of the small door opening one more time, banging my knee or my head getting back in. Sure a 944 is RWD, but not exactly a donut/drift machine either. A Probe is 1/4-1/3 the cost of the remnants of an NA 944 that will probably need timing done as well as the clutch damper, interference engine if I remember correctly. All that with no freakin cup holders, and relatives will start to think you've got money, while the rest of the Porsche club wants think of you as "the help." No thanks. XD
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So very true in my opinion as an ex Porsche owner. It is far cheaper to get far more hp out of a KL engine than it is with a Porsche engine.

Just Porsche Nikasil lined cylinders alone will cost you more than it will cost you to build an entire KL engine with more HP than you are even thinking about at the early stages of just selecting the jugs and pistons to use.
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I picked up 2 more this week, so that makes 8 total now...

I have a major Probelem...
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"I picked up 2 more this week, so that makes 8 total now...

I have a major Probelem..."

What are you doing? Making a Probe Voltron? Cause I mean that'd be cool.
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