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**anomaly** · July 16, 2003, 01:47 PM

Well, at least it is not on fire!! (inside joke)

Now with your set up, I can see some turbulence issues come up. So I am wondering if one were to get some smooth tubing for the route from the scoop to the air box if that would make any difference in air velocity reaching the filter?

**nick_ouellette** · July 16, 2003, 01:53 PM

Wouldnt that suck up water when it rains etc...?
-Nick-

***Racy-Stacey*** · July 16, 2003, 01:55 PM

Are you offering to make me some custom tubing Todd?

If you are we can mass produce these for the masses..

But I'm sure the cost would increase also so...

Right now I can make a kit for this at a cost of $85 for anyone who wants one.

I wish I could get a air flow meter inside the piping at different locations to get a reading. Then we can see how fast the air is rushing in.. As it is I find my filter is working hard at keeping the nastly stuff out...

***Racy-Stacey*** · July 16, 2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by nick_ouellette
Wouldnt that suck up water when it rains etc...?
-Nick-

I've been through some heavy rain and no it dosent pull water up the tube.. I would have to be submerged to even start to draw water up and even then I'm sure the engine would starve and die first before if even that.

The piping and use of the stock air box allow for lots of places for water to be trapped before ever reaching my filter.. And K&N air filters are water proof so even a steady mist being drawn up the piping would be trapped by the filter.

Thanks for the question...it was a good one.

**nick_ouellette** · July 16, 2003, 02:14 PM

Maybe I will try something like that...What kind of tubing did you use? I've thought about Drying housing but that sounds like it would be to frail. And what did you use at the front of the car there? If you dont want to disclose that info its cool.
-Nick-

*edit*
I just read everything and I answered some of my own questions...

**Duddy** · July 16, 2003, 02:28 PM

My brother did something very similar to this on his Civic. He loves the mod, his only problem is his hose started to get tears in it from the high velocity of the air when he was going over 100mph

**anomaly** · July 16, 2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Racy-Stacey
Are you offering to make me some custom tubing Todd?

If you are we can mass produce these for the masses..

Sure, if I had a plastic extrusion machine! Hell, I would settle for an injection molding machine!

With either of these, we could make the system lightweight and affordable.

***Racy-Stacey*** · July 16, 2003, 03:19 PM

You can use any type of materials you want to build ram-air systems...

I happend to use stuff that the race car drivers use. The scoop is like $22 alone. If you want to go cheep then fine.. Thats your choice I'm not trying to cheat anyone.. I'm using the best products possible, because I road race my car. So I want the best for my car.

Ok Here are the costs from The racing house where I can get what I need.

Air Ducting hose - 300degF rated 6ft section...: $35.99
Can withstand speeds up to 150mph

Duct with twin 4" openings and 3" connections: $21.99
Molded and flanged

Stainless Wiremesh #6 .035 wire diameter........: $21.99

3" dia tee............................................... .....: $4.00

Screws and other harware.............................: $3.00
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.................................................. ..........Total : $86.97

I dont have to say that my system is better than another. The results can be felt in the seat of your pants and the quality of the materials used are the best you can possibly use. This system will last a very long time.

This is my system... You or anyone else can use dryer duct and do this that or the other and get a nice cold air system for a lot less.

But this system is in my opinion is the best bang for the buck. Like they say if you going to do something - do it right the first time.

It might not look the nicest because i dont have it fitted with a spoiler and splitter combination. But it still functions and serves the purpose of ramming air into the box. Not just collecting it from the bottom of the car.

**Bill95PGT** · July 16, 2003, 05:02 PM

I understand the benefits of inducting cold air. But, I from what I've read you can't shove air into the motor faster than it is sucking it in. At high speeds are you creating boost? I would like to know the benefits of ram air, so if you guys could clear that up for me, thanks.

**Duddy** · July 16, 2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Bill95PGT
. At high speeds are you creating boost?

A minor amount of boost, yes. And technically, turbo engines force in more air than they can suck in

You compensate by forcing more fuel in there too.

That's another thing to consider, Stacy. When in 5th gear, having 100mph of air entering the tubing, you're definitely getting more air into your engine. You might want to get an A/F gauge and see if you're nearing the lean edge any at high speeds. My older bro bumped up his fuel pressure because he would lean out a bit in 4th and 5th gear. Just a thought.

***dmark101*** · July 16, 2003, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Duddy
You might want to get an A/F gauge and see if you're nearing the lean edge any at high speeds.

she's already got one.

an FPR, along with a higher flowing fuel pump and injectors are amongst the mods planned in the near future.

**Bill95PGT** · July 16, 2003, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Duddy
A minor amount of boost, yes. And technically, turbo engines force in more air than they can suck in You compensate by forcing more fuel in there too.

Thanks for clearing that up. For the record I was talking about n/a motors not being able to get boost from ram air.

**Hans[93GT]** · July 16, 2003, 08:15 PM

I've seen those ducts in racing catalogs, Pegasus Racing I think. Pretty cool. I wish they made tubes that didn't have the wires in them, though. I was using some and eventually the wires rusted and looked like ass. Someone should make some kind of silicone pipe that is smooth and non-compressible but still bendable

Have you thought about removing a headlight and ducting it from there, for racing?

**ZiMX3** · July 16, 2003, 08:34 PM

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Now those are ducts you can use.

Note: NACA ducts are a bonus for Lexan windows

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